Ep 34: A round table discussion with key staff of the Wifi Tribe

Sean Tierney: 00:02:28 All right. Welcome everybody to the podcast. I’m your host, Sean Tierney, and I’m here today. This is a special episode. I’m here with half of the wifi tribe staff. It feels like we’ve got Diego, Carol and Ouda. Welcome you guys to the show. Hey, yeah, thanks for having us. Definitely. can we real quick just go around and introduce yourself? So people listening compare like a voice to a name and what you guys do for the company.

Aura: 00:02:51 Yes. So I’ll go first. I’m outta and I, well I’m working with wifi tribe pre, sorry, recently,

Aura: 00:02:59 Like two months ago and I’m focusing more on designing the experience on the ground and also like streamlining a few of the processes across the company.

Diego: 00:03:09 Cool. Awesome. Hey guys, I’m a, I’m Diego. I’ve been on a, on a show a while back, right? That was what, more than a year ago now.

Sean Tierney: 00:03:17 That’s right. I think it was about a year and a half ago.

Diego: 00:03:18 Yeah, I was in Bolivia back then. And yeah, so now we met up in, in Barcelona is actually the first time that that you and I met in person, Sean. So that’s really cool. And yeah, I guess what I do is I am a host, a chapter host as well, so I’m on, on the ground. And I do a lot of the marketing. I have a wife I drive.

Sean Tierney: 00:03:39 Cool.

Karol: 00:03:41 Hey guys, this is actually my first ever podcast being recorded, so super cool. Excited to be here. My name is Carol. I’ve been part of why foot Chubb for like last two years now and I’m also a chapter host and a, I did the operations and kind of like making sure that everything runs nice and smooth and efficient essentially. So yeah, thanks for having me here as well.

Sean Tierney: 00:04:04 Yeah, definitely. And Carol was actually the one who interviewed me. You guys do a pretty extensive screening, like, so this is my first chapter this month in Barcelona. I’ve never done this before. It’s been awesome. Really like impressed with how it works. But the screening process, like before I even got here, like to me it says a lot of how much effort you guys put into the actual screening process to ensure that like it’s a good fit and you get the right, you know, chemistry and people that really want to be here. So kudos for that. I wanted to talk about just like Diego, you said something on your interview and like, by the way, if you’re listening, I highly encourage you to listen to that. I think it was episode seven it was a really good conversation, but one of the things that has forever stuck with me from that interview was when I asked you about like, what is home to you? And you said home is, I found home in this constellation of people. I will never forget that phrase. But can you guys, can you just expand on that and talk about what you mean by that? Like this notion of like a home in people.

Diego: 00:04:58 Yeah. so that’s something that I, I think I realized only maybe what I dunno, a year, maybe year and a half in. I was in Croatia at the time and I was, I was asking myself that, cause I guess the question comes up a lot. When I was a kid, I kept on moving around. So probably every two, two to three years, my parents would, would pack up and we’d go to a different country. And I think in, in all those different places, the, the, the one thing that was consistent is that I, I was often in this international environment, right? International schools were really the the norm at that time and when we were, when we kept moving around. So now that I, I’m living in this kind of lifestyle where it’s like, it’s like the, that international school environment, but to the extreme, right?

Diego: 00:05:46 We’re, we’re with all kinds of different nationalities and it’s, it’s kinda changing up on a, on a month to month basis, right? So I’ll see a lot of people again, but I’m also seeing new people a lot. And that’s when I realized that it actually wasn’t about the, the country wasn’t about the, the house or, or anything physical. Right. it really is just, I felt at home in a moment where I was like, I’m surrounded by, by people that had this, yeah. This international factor, this diversity factor to them. And just people who, who embodied the values that I, I myself cared about as well. Right. And that’s when I just felt incredibly comfortable. So that was the first time that for me I realized, okay, well that, that I guess is my my definition of, of home.

Sean Tierney: 00:06:33 Yeah. What about you guys saying?

Aura: 00:06:35 I think for me it’s a bit different. For me it’s like more of an acquired way of living. Like my, my, I mean pre my 20 apps on my twenties, I lived in the same country, same city, went to the same school. So I have a very different experience to what Diego has. But I think for me, what was very inspiration was the way my grandparents lived. So they lived in a smaller community in their own village. And that was something that brought so much happiness to them. So I left Romania, I studied in the UK, and then all of a sudden you get exposed to a very fast paced environment and you’re lacking that community that you have around you every single day. Right. and I think with this way of living where you have 25 people all the time and you don’t have to, you know, make plans like weeks in advance to meet someone and everything is happening a lot more organically.

Aura: 00:07:30 I think it’s something that drew me to this kind of way of living. Like if I walked downstairs in the kitchen, something will be happening. If I post something on Slack, I want to go work out. Someone will make time to do that with you. And I think right now in the way we live currently, like with, with jobs in the cities, it’s just a lot more difficult. People don’t have time. Everything is moving so fast. And I compare it to my grandparents way of living because they live like that, right? Like if they want to walk into the neighbor’s house at lunchtime, they can do that. Right. But we’re just doing it by moving from one place to another. But the concept is the same. I think that’s what really chuckling me to this.

Sean Tierney: 00:08:09 Well that really resonates with me. I would say. So my listeners know that I did remote year. That was like my introduction to this whole lifestyle and then I kind of dabbled with some solo travel and have experimented like I am now based in Lisbon. And so I’ve gotten to see a breadth of different ways to do this and I 100% agree with you. I remember when we ended remote year, it’s like we were so used to this massive with like what I would call an aircraft carrier of just this Homebase moving around and you always had access to things going on and people and support and whatever you needed. And then when that left, you’re kind of left with a void and you go back. Like most of our group went back to regular jobs in the U S and to their homes and whatnot.

Sean Tierney: 00:08:49 And I think everyone felt kind of this this vacuum, you know, cause we all come to just like really love this. Like you say, this ability to just like hop on Slack or go downstairs or just, there’s always something going on. Always someone who’s going to have lunch with you if you want or whatever. So that 100% resonates with me. And that’s a tough thing to explain to someone who’s never experienced it. Like, you know, if you’re coming as an outsider and you’re just not, not dipped into that way of life, I don’t really know how to convey truly how incredible it is other than just to go try it like that.

Aura: 00:09:22 Yeah. And I think for everyone’s, like all about the people, like it comes down to you need human connection around you and you, what happens to cities or starting to lose that by, you know, the atom, the convenience that is being created, like mobile apps for ordering food in. So you start doing that, right? You’re fit, you’re making your life more efficient by avoiding having meals with friends unless set once a week. And then in psych, you know, riding a cab, it’s so easy like hopping on a chem instead of calling a friend to take you to the airport. So it’s like a lot of things that we’re removing and it’s making it very hard to live, especially in big cities. I feel like people who live in suburbs, they still have that kind of life. But here at wifi tribe, it’s like you still have like growth opportunities and you’re growing career wise, but you’re just also exploring destinations. But you’re also like having, you’re building friendships that last a lifetime and that’s very, very valuable. And that’s what I’m looking for and that’s why I’m doing this. [inaudible]

Diego: 00:10:17 Well, when it comes to to city life, I think it’s also interesting too to think about like, so how are, how do we live in a city, right? Where when these big buildings you know, lots of people in a, in a small, in a small space you can be hundreds of people in one building and you’ll never meet, right? And if you see someone maybe in the elevator or on the in the staircase, like, you know, you’re lucky if you get a hello and a smile. It’s, it’s like the, the more people are at, at closer proximity, the further away we are from, from each other. And it’s this really, really weird paradox. So what I guess what happens when you do it in this way, regardless of of what that, you know, what, which organization it is your you’re a bunch of people that are exploring a new place together and that itself brings you closer together, right?

Diego: 00:11:11 Because no one has formed the habits and the, you know, the small friend groups here and there that pull them in in different directions instead. All of us are, it’s like we’re all dropped into a new city at the same time and we’re all trying to figure it out together, explore it together. And the only other connecting points that we have are, are each other. Right? So and, you know, instead of just going out and doing our thing where we’re looking for for somebody else, you know, going, walking downstairs, knocking on somebody else’s door, grabbing someone to go do something with, right. It’s just a different, it’s a different starting point and I think that’s what brings us so much closer together. Even when we’re dropped into a, you know, like right now in Barcelona and it’s this, it’s this massive city. Again, we’re in an in a, in a big building here, but it feels so different. So different from all of the other other residents that would be in any of these buildings.

Sean Tierney: 00:12:02 Yeah, it’s really like a kind of like, I remember a college like that immediate bonding experience when you get to some new thing, and this is a completely foreign experience for everyone. And so that shared fact is the commonality that binds everyone immediately and you develop just incredible bonds quickly. It’s a great way to,

Karol: 00:12:17 So look at it. Yeah. Mine is actually very similar to Diego’s. I’m didn’t move as much I guess, but as two, three big moments in my life, it kind of like triggered me thinking about it and seeing it for the first time. So I actually moved from Germany to the UK at the silly age of 16, 17 where you have such strong bonds with your friends and you’ve got an established group. And it didn’t seem like a big deal to me at a time and I was just driving across the border and kind of a hit me. I was like, okay, things are going to be changed now forever. But it really hit me the moms after when I realized, okay, everyone I could rely on and that was super close to me and they knew me and I knew them and we spent a lot of time together, was now so far away from me.

Karol: 00:13:02 And I moved into the big city, which we discussed now. And I made friends there too. And even now after having been there for 12 years on and off the closest friends, it’s so difficult to stay in touch with them in the sense that we do on chapters and also compared to the city of, I lived in Germany, which was way smaller than, than the UK. That that, that barrier is, that’s traveling to see each other for like an hour, one way to our return journey, which should be only 10 minutes. And you often then go like, Oh, I haven’t got time for this. I haven’t got time for that. Whereas if you are next door to each other and you jump in and you’re like, Hey, let’s go and play squash and aid, can you help me with this project? What do you think about this design or whatever you’re working on at a time, you go to like some feedback and, and that, that, that closeness we definitely replicate quite oddly. Like you’re saying that we are all remote and we also spread around the world, but by plugging ourselves into a location for four weeks, we have that feeling of college. That feeling of, of what I’m describing our head, like in Germany, a smaller city and then other parts of my life. So that’s, that’s super powerful and that’s one of the things that I enjoy the most about these experiences.

Sean Tierney: 00:14:13 Can you guys just paint a picture of what we’ve done so far? Cause I’m just thinking about that kind of like mentally retracing what we’ve done this month and we’ve done a lot. But like what are the highlights for you? All of the things that we’ve done so far. This one.

Diego: 00:14:25 Oh cool. Right. So, well the first weekend I wasn’t on that trip, but the guys went over. It’s a, it’s a Montserrat. So that’s this really cool monastery just on the just just outside of Barcelona and this and this like crazy mountain mountain landscapes. So that’s a, that’s a really cool one. Then the next weekend we we went to Ibiza, but all of us knowing full well that the, the, you know, the is infamous for its, but we all knew that the party season was over. But [inaudible] and I had been there in the, in the past and we remembered that actually one of the most amazing things about a D says the it’s, it’s just grabbing a quad bike and going beach to beach there. I just exploring the Island cause it’s a, it’s a stunning Island. So we were like, okay, that’s, that’s what we’re in for. So we got a, a big Airbnb between what it was 15 of us. Is that, is that right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And right and then just got, got there, flew in super early in the morning of Arthur

Diego: 00:15:26 We were all we were all zombies.

Karol: 00:15:28 I think we needed a nap. It’s crazy when you look back at it, eh, you know, we’re here to work and I’m thinking about how much I’ve accomplished in the last two and a half weeks in terms of working out with busy. I’ve been, and then you asked this question, I’m like, Oh my God. On top of that, I had all these amazing experiences. How does that even fit into a 24 hour day? So I arrived a little bit late and you guys woke on me with open arms and we had this like Mexican cooking together, potluck dinner. So one of the members, Erica and and and Anna, they prepared this massive cockup the next morning. Like you said, we go to two beats at 6:00 AM and it was immediately super, super bonding as well from like laying on the beach together because we are after before sunrise and waiting for places to open up then go into a cafe doing some work, eating food court, biking, hiking, sunsets together on the beach, coming back.

Karol: 00:16:27 And then there was like plugged back into work and we had another like you know, potluck dinner, evening, watched movies together, celebrated Halloween and you’re like, wow, is this all happened in like a week and a half? Or like how do we manage to combine it all? But I think it’s the energy of the group that kind of like keeps pulling it together. I was like, okay, focus, focus. And then that time that we, that we have like, you know, you can divide up, you can, you can go and relax a little bit. We had enough relaxation for out there the week as well, but then there is over stimulating time. They’re like, let’s experience this stuff together. This is, this is cool.

Diego: 00:17:02 Well, I, I think that that also gets you to be more productive, right? One of the, or at least a bunch of people were saying, and one of the most productive days was that Monday after we went, you know, we did crazy adventures in a visa and we were all of us all like 15 of us sitting in a, and we’d literally taken over the restaurant, the cafe and it was just all of us quietly getting our work done. But I think there’s a sense of like yeah, I maximized on this weekend. Now, now I’m really, you know, I’m in the right head space to get a lot of work done. So it’s kind of, if you get those, those kinds of balances, I also feel that you are able to make a lot more of the of the time that you, that you both, both times right over the time that you spend working in the time that you spend not working because it’s like you’re figuring out how to maximize on both. I think you’re, you’re

Aura: 00:17:50 Being a lot more present and you don’t have to learn how to do that. It’s happening by the fact that you have only eight days for exploring. If you think about it, there’s only four weekends. So you maximize an adventure during the weekend and then you know, you have to do your job for five days out of the week. So all of a sudden you’ve done so much and you look back and like a week and a half is like, Oh, have I been any resale last week? And we were talking about, it’s like we were on a beach that morning and yeah. So I think it’s just being present and it’s something you just don’t even know how it happens, but it just happens. Clarify for international audience. The beats are to us is [inaudible] Amanda’s voice in my head. That’s true.

Sean Tierney: 00:18:36 So I’ve always thought that kind of a Mark of a life well lived is the density of memories. Like when I look back at those periods when I just like remote year was one of those and just the amount of memories we would create in a month was like what I would do for a previous year. You know? And same thing for when I was on this exchange program in Ecuador. It’s like I look back at that time like Oh my gosh, the amount of stuff that we did, what an incredible time period. And like to me this is what like hyper accelerated memory creation that highlights in these, in these, in these travels. Like it’s just, I don’t know how to pack more into life than we do. And you’re right, Diego, like the work hard, play hard. I feel like when you get stimulated and then you feel like you’ve done all this stuff and then you know, okay, now it’s time to go back and you’re like revitalized to then just go get after it. Just as hard, you know, for the work [inaudible]

Diego: 00:19:25 Well, I think it’s, it’s, it’s pretty simple, right? Because if you’re sitting there and working seven days a week but you’re never really working, like you’re not working at your maximum capacity in a, in a shorter, condensed period of time, then you’re going to say, well, I wasn’t as productive this week so I’m going to work on Saturday. And then you feel like, well, like I, you know, it took some time so I’m going to work on Sunday as well. And that becomes your life, right? Because at the end of the day, what you’re doing every day is, is going to sum up to what you do over the course of your life. And the same goes for for your time off, right? Like if you feel like you’ve never really had much time off, like it’s, it’s all just washed into each other. Whereas if you feel like you’ve, you’ve had some really intense time off then, then it feels like it’s okay to have to not have time off right now and to have some really intense work time, you know, and then go back to really intense time off.

Diego: 00:20:11 So if you can, if you can really, I guess there’s, there’s something to be said for compartmentalizing, but, but making each of those bits really, really intense, then I think you actually pack in a lot more, I guess just life into each of those, right. Productivity on one side and life on when, when you’re not working actually brings up an interesting question I’d like to hear from you guys is why as we talk about like very intense periods of like amazing time and also sudden work, does it ever for you guys get too much at any point, what’s your ways to switch off from it and maybe, you know, relax and, and, and kind of where I recharge, I personally have a very high energy person. So for me it, it, it, it just feels right. But I, I’d be intrigued to see how you guys feel about it.

Sean Tierney: 00:20:58 Yeah. I mean, I can tell you that having done both, having been in an environment like remote year like this and then unplugging and go, so solo travel, you can always withdraw from an environment where there’s a lot going on and just like go hole up and watch Netflix and like just be a hermit for a while. You can’t instantly manifest the community that exists here when you’re solo traveling. There’s just no way to do it the other direction. So to me that’s the answer. And it’s not, I mean it’s not hard unless you just have like FOMO or you feel like you just can’t withdraw for some reason where some people do I guess. But I would have struggles.

Sean Tierney: 00:21:35 Yeah. I wasn’t going to say one thing that in hearing you guys describe this, it makes me think about it this way. Someone called Parkinson’s law where it’s like the liquid fills the volume of its container. I feel like what you’re saying with work is it does, it, it will bleed into every corner. You let it until you constrain it. And I just remember when I went to Prague and my first month of remote year, that was my first breakaway and doing my job remotely like that. And with all this stuff going on and all these opportunities and castles to explore and like all this cool stuff to do, it forces you to be more productive in like it bounds your time. I’m like, I’ve got to get this done by five because I’m wanting to go see that castle. And you find a way to do it. And when you, if you remove those barriers and you let your work just bleed into every time and constraint, then it will consume every minute you give it. So I dunno. That’s [inaudible]. Yeah, for sure.

Diego: 00:22:30 Yeah. Carol’s a big proponent of that. And I think for people who who maybe don’t understand this, this lifestyle, the style, so, well, I think the easiest way to describe it as just to, so imagine you’re doing what you’re doing at home and in the case of many people, they are, you know, working on their laptops in an office, for example. Technically speaking, most of that work could be done somewhere else, right? So imagine that’s possible. You just pick up your life as you have it and you, you, you just shifted over into a different country and then you add a bunch of people to it, right? So when kind of like a colon and kind of a scenario, right? So you’re living maybe with three, four, five, six other people in, in one house, right? Or in one apartment. And then you have that, that’s likely the larger group around that, right?

Diego: 00:23:10 But then the, the, the big difference really comes in where if you’re at home, you would just repeat and do those things. Go, you know, go eat at the same places. Go. Like if you can make me go meet up for a, for a night at a bar with a few friends you know, basically do your, do your, your regular happy weekly habits, but when you’re plugged into an entirely new place, then something new has switched on inside you. And it’s like, okay, I’m, I’m, I’m in exploring mode. Right? And so everything that you’re looking for is, is going to be something something entirely new, but you’re now not alone. You’re in that exploring mode together, you know, side side with all these all these other people. But apart from that, it’s still normal, normal life, right? So we’re spending typically 40 hours a week working, right.

Diego: 00:23:53 Plus or minus a little bit, depending on people might, some people might have a bigger projects that they’re working on and then we’re taking the weekends off, but, you know, instead of instead of going, going out and watching a movie over the weekend, you know, we’re, we’re on an Island, so potentially newbie said driving around on quad bikes. Right? It’s just, it’s just the things that become available to you when you’re, when you’re plugging yourself into different locations. That’s, that’s really what it’s about. Right? So maybe that describes the, the whole thing a little bit more.

Aura: 00:24:20 Can I, can I say something as well to this? So I think, you know, with your career and work, you go through different stages. So there, there are times where you really need to put those extra hours and not take the time off. And I think some people get to do this. Like if a weekend you have to stay in work, I think people will try to organize things around you to make sure that you know, you have a dinner with someone or we’re getting together for like a potluck. Just, you know, being mindful of your time at this weekend you have to work. And we’re respecting that. And I think because all of us are experiencing this one time or not, like everyone has a deadline where you can’t go on a weekend trip. And I think the tribes like super supportive, the community supportive, so you don’t have that formal if you have to stay behind. And I think that’s how we find balance ultimately.

Sean Tierney: 00:25:08 Yeah, 100% well I think of it too, like a platform, like perfect case in point. I’m doing the charity makeover thing this weekend and to me it’s like this fertile platform with which to do things like that. Like I can, I know I’ve already had a couple people volunteer and like very supportive and same thing. It’s like, Oh, you’re doing that? Like, don’t worry, we’ll, we’ll schedule trips around it to accommodate that so that that can happen. It’s like yeah, it’s, it’s amazing in that way.

Aura: 00:25:34 Yeah. It’s basically to, to allow each other to grow. You know, it’s like, not sabotage it by creating FOMO, but it’s like we’re being mindful to, everyone has to grow in their careers, in their life and like how we can do this together.

Diego: 00:25:46 And bear in mind that you have, you know, a mix of people doing this firm with different kinds of lifestyle expectations from it as well. Right. There’s people that do this you know, once or twice a year and it’s, it’s more of, it feels more like a break from what they’re what they’re doing at home. But then you feel you have so many people that are doing this as either a semipermanent or even a permanent lifestyle. Right. There’s, there’s a few people that have been with us since, since the beginning and they’ve just, they’ve gone to all these, these different places, but they have a different version of living this then, then maybe someone who’s, who’s coming in to explore once or twice a a year. It just means that they need to make sure to, to move their lives forward exactly the way that everybody else is when they’re, when they’re back home.

Diego: 00:26:24 But by living in this kind of format, right. And that’s really important to us. Like there’s so much, so much about all the, you know, all the, all the wonderful, beautiful things about this, this kind of life selling, talking about connection, the adventure aisle, you know, the travel, all those exciting things. But we can’t forget the productivity element because if we actually want this to be a lifestyle, which is, you know, which is what we’re really pushing for, then then we can’t drop the ball on the, the thing that makes the sustainable. Right. And that’s us being able to to, to you know, be as productive as we would at home potentially more for, for some people who feel like they get a a a stronger kick out of working with other people. Yeah.

Sean Tierney: 00:27:00 So when I did it, I was prepared to like I was my, my target was to ideally maintain my numbers so I was sales still am in sales and my target was okay I’ve done this for a year. If I can live this lifestyle and at least maintain that I’m crushing it. Like I’m having a way better life. I had a 70% increase in my sales for the year that I was. Yeah. And so I think like how, what do you attribute that to? Like I think there’s a couple things like we discussed like the stimulation and enforcing to be more productive and like getting very focused on like these are the three things that matter. I’m only going to do those three things cause I want to see that castle later. They’re really forces you,

Karol: 00:27:39 They got beautiful courses as well.

Sean Tierney: 00:27:43 But I also think, at least in my situation, it forced an issue where when we’re all on the same time zone the, it wasn’t obvious exactly how much stuff I was doing. And by shifting it and then having less overlap, I think it made it more apparent that, okay, yeah, Shawn’s doing like five people’s jobs. We should probably hire three people to, you know, to at least supplement some of that. And so like there’s just these things that you can’t account for and you know, that, that appear when you do this. I guess I would also like the other thing I wanted to talk about diversity, like everything we’ve talked about thus far and it’s like you can put homogenous people in these unique situations and it’s still going to be cool. But the fact that like the people in this group now, we’ve got some people from New Zealand and South Africa and Canada and like all these different places, Bolivia, you know, England. I just like that diversity of not even knowing what you don’t know of people coming from all these different backgrounds is I think like the cherry on top of this whole thing. Right? It’s, it’s that magic

Karol: 00:28:43 And for me it kind of goes back a little bit towards the stimulation and the fulfillment. So I have a background having worked in the corporate world for five years for IBM. And the one thing that I was kind of like touching upon the diversity aspect, but also the previous topic, I was really, the reason why I left the corporate world is because I wanted more, like everyone was just kind of like looking forward to the holiday to the weekend. I was like, just live your life as if every day would be a holiday. And the weekend I was, Steve jobs says as if it’s your last day and they having these, I read this book that talked about micro experienced, you know cause people have depression. They get sad because especially in the UK, you go to work, it’s dark, you’ve finished work, it’s dark and you kind of like, what am I doing here?

Karol: 00:29:30 That’s also why you crave a holiday, right? So there’s this blog was talking about micro experience was saying and why don’t you just go camp somewhere, you lay underneath the stars and you’re going to come back to work on Monday. You’re going be completely revitalized, like revitalized and you’re going to be happy, you’re going to be fulfilled. And I did it for one year, did those micro experiences every month at least one. And then I was like, okay, I’m going to do a sabbatical. Went backpacking and essentially ended up a way, I’m a now being a remote, a remote professional, working with wifi tribe and the diversity allows that all to happen way more because we all curious bunch, we’re all very interested in and I might bring something up, Oh we do it this way, we do it that way. Oh, I might have a particular interest because of my upbringing, my background, my nationality that someone might not, and you just suddenly get involved in so many things. You wouldn’t have fought off your surf before and you’re like, phew, so enriched afterwards, what would you like to do? It didn’t like it. You look at it in such different perspectives and you’re like, this was so cool. Like let’s do it again. And you end up doing it again and again and suddenly you find yourself doing five plus chapters back to back in a row or something like that. Or you switched to to lifestyle and you make it really work. And instead of just doing it once or twice a year,

Aura: 00:30:48 I think we have a, we have a good example of that kind of experience where we were in Argentina last year and someone celebrates Christmas for their birthday and it’s in September. And it just like bringing 20 people together with different nationalities and trying to say, well, the the one asked this person I had was, I won that, you know, I want to do secret Santa. And then he never said why. He said like only as we were like dividing gifts is because I want everyone to get a present. But that in that moment you saw the presence that everyone brought to you, you know from their culture perspective. And it was just such an incredible experience that I don’t think you get to experience when you’re only in one. I think if the community is one sided, no matter what it might be industry or it might be culture. Right?

Karol: 00:31:35 Yeah. I have to say has been the best Christmas I’ve had ever. And it’s just the weirdest thing. Having had that in September rather than December and it was a cool, well you could see a bunch of random strange people cause I got plugged into this chapter and not knowing a thing. Anyone bar three people and then we all got so close and we had the best time. I was like, again, just proving that that the human connections and those unique experiences means so much to us.

Aura: 00:32:03 And I think another thing to diversity to add is that, okay, you do those chapters. But I think the other part of the magic that happens is when you go off chapter and then you realize they already have friends in all those countries they haven’t visited yet. So you find yourself in town for a meeting and you will find a Triber that’s willing to show you the areas is willing to introduce you to their family, to their culture, to their food. And I think that’s, that’s really magical. And this year in the summer there was someone, I mean Lithuania is, it’s a small country, but the fact they were like, what? Five members in the tribe, they’ve organized a week to explore the training with a tribe. And I think there were 20 people that joined that week and it was like self organized. So all those things like happen, I would say like happen off chapter, you know, sometimes. So

Sean Tierney: 00:32:52 Yeah. Well, that’s something we didn’t talk about is just like that power of just the Slack connection that is now exist amongst all the alumni of this initiative. Roommate who has the same thing. It’s like, what can you do with that? What, like, you know, wherever you go, you throw it out there and you know, inevitably there’s someone who can show you around like you said, or point you to at least in the right direction of it’s like what an incredible resource that is to have. Yeah,

Diego: 00:33:15 There’s a, I guess that’s a, that’s a big part of it as well. There is this, this international community that you have. That’s, that’s, you know, it’s, it’s global. It’s literally all around the world. I think there’s, there’s 50 nations in, in the tribe so far, and it’s just like out us describing you. You can, you can drop yourself into any city and you’re very likely to, to meet at least one probably a handful of, of tribe members there. We also have between each, so we call them chapters. I know we’ve, we’ve been throwing that word around that basically just means a month, four weeks in a, in a location somewhere in the world. Right? so we organize those, those chapters, but between them, we have a week that’s it’s basically nothing’s happening, right? So that, that’s members are calling that the, the gap week.

Diego: 00:33:58 Right. And what happens in this week is really just people who are either on that chapter or maybe people who are around in the, in the area. We’ll, we’ll organize little trips, little experiences. It could be in Latin Americans, it’s always been very adventurous thing. So it can be things like, you know, sailing and the in the Caribbean for a week, how much you peach, you let’s see, Patagonia the Galapagos islands, right? Like those kinds of things. Often things were also like, you might need to take off a few days from work. But yeah, that’s, it’s, these are, these are those self organized things that just add a lot to your experience when you’re already somewhere, you know, a certain part of the world and you think, well, I feel like I’ve experienced the city but you know, maybe I haven’t seen this or maybe I haven’t been to the Galapagos islands.

Diego: 00:34:37 Maybe there’s this other part that I’d love to do. Right. So it’s, it’s a fantastic way to to tap into that and and just be able to, to create your own, you know, design your own experience, create your own experience in that sense. I did want to add one more thing to the to the diversity part cause I think that’s, that’s a, that’s a really, really important one. So my, my perspective on diversity is that it is, is absolutely amazing and it adds, you know, it had so much color to your life, but there is at the same time there, if you can manage to keep one thing consistent, I think that you can get the most out of diversity while still reducing conflict and, and making sure that, you know, people just connect really quickly. And I think that’s having an alignment on core values, right?

Diego: 00:35:20 So to me that’s the reason why you might feel disconnected with, you know, your next door neighbor back at home. But some, for some weird reason, you find this really deep, meaningful connection with someone who is halfway across the world who barely speaks your language. Right? But you, but you just naturally connect. And I think that is because there is a, there is a, a core values connected, which fundamentally is, you know, is what really matters, right? And then if you layer on top of that any form of diversity, it can be, you know, professional diversity. You can have nationality, diversity, age diversity. It really doesn’t matter. Like all, all of those other things actually then add to to the, to the human experience. Right. because you’re, you’re seeing the world and every moment through the eyes of, of all these people around you who have a different perspective. I feel like the, some of my favorite chapters have been those where the diversity has just been through the roof. I mean, I was laughing her cause she knows which one I’m thinking about. It’s, it’s the one in Columbia. We were, I think it’s the, the one earlier this year then in March. Is that right?

Diego: 00:36:26 It’s so funny. It was, it was a pretty surreal experience. There’s a quite a small chapter, right? Is it just 12, 12 of us or 12 or 13 of us. And I sometimes worry if, you know, a small chapter might be a little bit more more challenging for the groups group dynamics to work out so well. But actually it, it usually is the opposite. And you have the chance to connect so much on such a deeper level with people. And now this place was really, or this chapter is really interesting because we were practically from, you know, there was barely any double representations of nationalities. Right. And on top of that, for some reason, we were so many quirky people. Yeah. Together in, in, in S in a small group. So if you layer quirkiness with, with nationalities, you’ve just, it’s, it’s literally like you can, you can experience these people and you feel like by the end of it, I, I could have created a, a cartoon and, and everyone who would’ve been, you know, their own super powerful personality is, is just, it’s just incredible. You know, if you, if you’re sitting in a room and you’re saying like, Oh, that’s something that, you know, that’s such a John thing to do, right, then you know, that you’re in the presence of a, of a real character. Right? And that to me is just the most, it’s the most colorful way to, to live. I’ve been, I haven’t laughed that much ever in a month. That was incredible.

Sean Tierney: 00:37:43 So I’ve had the unique position in Lisbon. I’ve met 14 of the different remote year groups that have come through there. So I work out of their workspace. And so I’ve started noticing almost like archetypes in different groups, but where you did like, Oh, that’s the, that’s the stew of our, of our group, you know, or that’s the Tyler it’s I wanted to talk about, so you guys just have like basically a little retreat, right? Like you had pretty much half the company was here. What can you talk whatever you’re willing to share about, like what you discussed him, like any epiphany’s or takeaways from that retreat?

Karol: 00:38:15 Yeah, it’s a, it’s a very unique experience that we had a remote team. It’s been now running for about four years as some people have actually never met each other in person. So it was a bit of a week of emotional overload and happiness. And besides being happy to each other and actually be able to touch each other as well because we see Joe and hang out is, is the fact that sitting down in one room and one space and being able to to run some workshops was very, very powerful. And we connected in so many different ways all the, all the values that we embodied within the community or somebody within the team, but being able to see each other and kind of like understand how each person person functions and what’s important to them was what it was. Very, very hopeful.

Karol: 00:39:08 And the topics that we covered throughout this week are very deep rooted cultural topics that we want to embody and live by internally. So there was a lot of things we covered around like, you know, what does it mean that the team comes first? How do we want to communicate with each other? How do we want to tackle some of those issues with the remote workspace, the remote lifestyle, dust present to, to running a business, running a community, running a team. And you know, there’s no need to, to ignore those and pretend there isn’t. By not seeing each other days there is, there’s challenges such as time zones and keeping each other accountable responding in time and tackling each of us asks and favors and things like that. So being in one place and being able to, to, to do that together was, was extremely useful and there’s going to be a much stronger team coming coming out of us last week essentially. So was this the first time that you all have actually done like all in-person type

Diego: 00:40:11 Richard? Yeah, I mean it’s, it’s ridiculous. It’s ironic. Our, our what we do on a day to day basis is bring people together on base, basically, you know, a lifestyle of retreats. And yet the team has never done that. Right? So this was the first time and, and it kind of, the reason that happened, it wasn’t even properly organized. We just realized, Oh, I’m going to be here, I’m going to be her. And then at some point we said, okay guys, let’s just all be here. Right? So everyone was here except for unfortunate, except for the people who were running chapters, running trips in in other parts of the world in that moment. So there’s three people missing, and we really did miss them a lot. Two of those people I have yet to meet. Carol’s met them in person. You haven’t met them either, right?

Diego: 00:40:49 Either. Hasn’t met them either. But yeah, wherever the other chapters right now. Right. So at the same time, there was a, someone in Argentina in Mexico and in South Africa. Right. And then us here in Barcelona. But yeah, there’s, there’s a person who we hadn’t, who we’d been working with for two years and we had never met her. I was, that was absolutely mind blowing. The other person who lives here in Barcelona, we also met for the first time, she’d not been working with us for, for more than a year. Right. So when, when that person that, you know, the lady who’d been working with us for two years when she, when she saw us, she just burst out into tears and she was, she was crying. And that was, that was incredible, right? That energy obviously carried through. But as, as Carol was saying, I think what we managed to, well, we managed to get out of this week was alignment on the really big, really important things that we would otherwise not do.

Diego: 00:41:48 And one thing I realized in this moment that I think is really interesting for other companies that are considering going remote is that when you are in the same location all the time, you don’t, you take each other for granted and you take the time that you have together for granted. Right? So you never, you never stop and think, Oh, maybe now is a time where we should all do something that’s bigger, meaningful, more like a, you know, bigger picture together that will, that will move us forward. Because you’re always just in that mode of, okay, I need to get this work done. And like it’s, it’s, it’s like if you live in, you know, if you live in London, you’re never going to go see the London eye because yeah, you can see it at some point. So you’re not going to go and see it, right. And then you leave and you’re like, Oh, I never saw it. Right. It’s kind of the same concept that when you’re in a, in a, in a team that’s on location, you, you, it’s weird. You know, we’ll see each other once every maybe year, but when we do, we’ll take that opportunity and make the, make the most of it all right. And I’m sure that that’s the same for just about any other road company.

Aura: 00:42:45 I think that was, well another interesting thing that happened by team getting together on a chapter, which I think has never done before, is people sometimes, you know, who work on the operational side, you don’t get to see the magic that happens on the ground. And that happens only with the host and having the entire team that also works in the backend. Being able to experience that, that was imagined. How powerful is that your day to day when you go back and you start applying it to your, you know, to your goals and to, yeah, so I think, I mean I, I like working remotely and I’ve been working remotely for the past four years. But it’s something very powerful about the team getting together often enough to, you know, to check in with each other personally as well. Right. To see face to face to say for a coffee and like be able to look in each other’s eyes. And I kind of gauge those feelings, not just, you know, one hour set on a hangout. I think that’s very difficult. Right. So if there are companies, I think they’re all companies that do that. Like they don’t do retreats and they operate only remotely, but I, yeah, I think it’s more efficient if you give yourself that opportunity.

Sean Tierney: 00:43:55 So, so we do that. Pagely the company that I work for twice a year, we all get together in person. It’s getting increasingly harder because they are getting bigger. But we’ve got like 45 people now renting out like two mansions to, to get everyone in one place. But that I agree that that periodic in person face to face, there is just no substitute for the dynamics of having everyone in the same room. You know, as just hands down. We’re still human beings like as much as we think we can communicate via computers and whatnot, it’s still, there’s no sense.

Aura: 00:44:24 Yeah and that energy when you go back, right? Like you’ve just had the retreat and then you go back and its oldest ideas, they’re like just waiting to be implemented. It’s like the energy is so high and it gives you like almost like six months of like high dose of energy and then probably you need to do one again

Sean Tierney: 00:44:38 Energy. And I would, I would argue that there’s also something in the way of like tolerance of errors and I don’t know the right way to verbalize this, but like mistakes or things. Yeah. Empathy. Like you, you, you, you will put up with mistakes that you would have otherwise not and perhaps be having never met that person, only dealt with through the computer. Once you’ve actually bonded and you know, shared experiences and then you go back, it’s just, there’s a lot more empathy and I don’t know how you put a price tag on that for a company when you have, you know, X to them, whatever connections interpersonally amongst every member of that team. Like what is the value of that? It’s priceless.

Diego: 00:45:16 So yeah, that actually, that’s really interesting cause that brings, makes me think back to one of the big issues that we had that actually came up just shortly before we all met here and that we decided to address here. And that was something that Carol talked about a little bit before as well as the idea of, of making making it aware of everyone in the team that the team needs to come first. Right. and that, that boat, you know, it relates to that lot because you can incentivize individuals within a team to do, to do their best work, to, to be amazing at their, at their roles. But if that’s all they’re doing and there’s no sense of, well, how can I help you to do your best work and how can I help you to do yours? And that interlinking, you know, that, that, that relationship of connection that you have within a team.

Diego: 00:46:00 If that doesn’t happen, then no matter how amazing the individuals in the team are, it’s like a, you know, a great football team full of individual players. It turns out, you know, that they’re not going to win the league, right. Even if they’re full of supposedly the best players in the world. Right. Whereas a team of really good players that are really well interlinked because the team dynamics are working so well, they have a much better chance at winning, winning, right. Because they’re the, it’s, it’s, it’s that idea of the sum of the whole is a lot bigger and you get that when you have that empathy, when you, when you create those connections and when you’re conscious about the impact that your actions or you know, your lack of, of, of acting upon something have on everybody else around you. Right? So that we can’t tell you the impact of what’s happened yet. Be too soon to know. But if we have another conversation, maybe in six months we can reflect back to this moment and ask ourselves, well, did we see a tangible change? Are, is the team suddenly better at communicating? Are we moving things forward more quickly and removing blocks from each other? You know, that’s the goal.

Aura: 00:46:58 And I think another important thing is when people come on a retreat, like they figured out the balance between what is the professional and what is like the person on a social level. And I think that that’s so interesting, right? Cause like we would have to share accommodation. We, you know, you share a bathroom and it’s like all those like small things. When you wake up in the morning and your pajamas, you get to see that. And it’s like even the grumpiness that you need a coffee, you can’t tell. So I think aligning those, you know, with like how are you professionally, which in an office you get to see only the person in a suit, right? And then when they leave the office, you don’t get to meet part unless you

Aura: 00:47:30 Have two, three coworkers that you go for drinks. But I think here it really kind of puts you out of your comfort zone a little bit when you meet the team.

Sean Tierney: 00:47:38 Yeah. Well, and this comes full circle back to what you were saying about the way your grandparents live. You know, it’s just like you, this is how we live for in the scope of the human history. We live like this a lot more than we’ve lived the other way, which is this kind of very like staccato, separated, sterile, like existence. So I almost feel like I have a theory that, you know, these tribe, it’s in your name, but like we moving in this way as a unit, as a group of people kind of roving through a landscape together supporting each other. Like we are hardwired in my opinion as humans, like this is how we operate for most of recorded history and then it’s only been recently in that timeline that we’ve all kind of fragmented and then gone to our houses and had our like weird what is called normal lives now. Like to me this is way more normal than anything that we do these days.

Diego: 00:48:27 I love what you’re saying because that is, it seems so counterintuitive, right? If someone looks at this kind of lifestyle will be like, you know who, who are these people? What are they doing with their lives? Fix yourselves, you know? But the reality is that it’s what maybe 2% of human history has been spent living in this, in this actually weird way that we are living right now where we’re in these massive buildings and we’re totally secluded from each other. Even if we’re at such close proximity. And that’s what happens when, when tribes get so big, you know, that it turns into tribe, turns into society and then, and then suddenly you’re just a little cog in a wheel of a massive society. But the human part of that is gone. Right. But what we were, what we were, you know, genetically designed to designed to do was to be tribes. Yup. Right?

Sean Tierney: 00:49:15 Yeah. The Dunbar number, like they’ve actually done experiments where it’s like 150 is the Dunbar number. Like that’s what you’re the size of the max tribe. And in the old time, like if you got more than that, then the tribe would cleave and it would split into two tribes. And yet here we are like working in companies of thousands of people and like going home to our solo existence. And it’s just that, that is what’s weird to me. But anyways I wish people could see it’s clean now, but like the window, so we’re in the apartment that you guys are staying at. The Halloween party was here. The dread decorations are still up right now. But I thought what I thought was a decoration like spiderwebs or something on the window was actually y’alls whiteboard. You use the window and like, there was this incredible mind map of all these things and you know, prioritizing like community and whatnot. But yeah, I think it’ll be, it’d be amazing to come back and do this, you know, a year from now and see how all that is impacted. I think we’re, so we’re right at the hour Mark, maybe I would like to wrap up and just say like, what do you see as the future? Like, do you want to grow this indefinitely and like keep expanding or do you envision capping it at some point? Or what, what’s your vision? What ideally, what do you hope this evolves to become?

Diego: 00:50:20 Yeah, that’s, that is a great question. And if we said that we’re going to expand forever, then I guess we’d be going the very concept that we talked about right now with, you know, with tribes. So we’ve been we’re still thinking about it. There’s, you know, we don’t have the final answer on this, but what we’re leaning towards right now is that we’re probably going to cap the, the maximum size of the community of the active community. Right. That would probably be people I’m traveling, you know, two or three, at least two or three times per year with the community

Diego: 00:50:51 Because the whole point of this is that guys listening has an opinion. Apparently we are not in the bathroom. This is the kitchen. All right. May I? Okay. yeah. Well, well

Diego: 00:51:07 The, the point is of the, the version of this lifestyle that we’ve decided to create is that, think of it this way, if you’re, most people travel and then at some point they get tired of traveling and they, and they go back home. So traveling for has always been a phase in people’s lives. Right? And I think a big part of that is that you when you travel, you remove yourself from that community that you have at home of your, your friends and family. And you have to, if you’re, especially if you’re traveling quickly, there we go again with a sink. When you’re traveling quickly, you have to move your, you have to plug yourself into new environments all the time. And you’re creating these relationships, you know, and no matter how extroverted you are and how quickly you can, you can sort of like fit yourself into a new environment.

Diego: 00:51:49 You’re always gonna meet these people. And then, you know, it might be a week later that you leave or, or a week later, the other person leaves. So the back of your mind, you’re always thinking, well, when is this like, is this relationship that I’m, that I’m trying to make here worth having? Or is it just going to be another person that ends up on Facebook? I’m never gonna see them again. Probably not going to communicate with them again. Right? And so at some point, after doing that for six months, you know, no matter how much you love traveling, you miss that sense of community that you have at home. Right? And so the idea of, of what we’ve, what we’ve built and what we’re working on is that it is possible to experience this deep, meaningful sense of community while you’re traveling. And that if we can, if we can continue to do that, then travel doesn’t need to be something that only exists in a short period of time.

Diego: 00:52:32 But travel can actually be something that can be a meaningful way of living. Right. And that’s really, that’s really the point of this. But here’s the caveat. If we keep on expanding the community and getting bigger and bigger, bigger and bigger, then at some point we’re going to reach the size where, you know, right now if I go on another chapter, anywhere between 20 to maybe 60% of the people that I meet, there are going to be people that have, I already know, right? Some of them, I know them really, really well. If we keep expanding, that’s going to stop happening, right? People are going to join another chapter and they’ll be like, well, you know, I meet, I’ve met one person here that I’ve known before, right? And suddenly you don’t get that feeling of there is this con continuation of my, my friendships of my community that, that makes this possible as a lifestyle.

Diego: 00:53:16 Right. So that’s where I think we have to understand to that, that we’re going to need to cap it at some point. Yeah, we, we had, we haven’t yet what that number is going to be. But it might, it might come up pretty soon. And it’ll also be so that we know that we can keep that, that community together. Right. So if the number that the, that, you know, scientists are thrown out there as 150, well, we know that that’s not going to be the case for us, but we also have smaller chapters. So you know, 12 to 25 people on a location, the wider community can be a little bit larger because we have these smaller groups that meet together and get to get, to connect a lot better in that way. But yeah, the maximum size of the communities, it could very well be around a thousand [inaudible]

Karol: 00:53:57 The higher vision of it as well, besides concentrating on the community size and the very short term is something that came out of one of those workshops. We actually, as the whole team discussed, where do we want this to, to go in an idealistic word and the five, 10, 1550 year timeframe. And what we agreed on is really to keep an abling people to live those alternative lifestyles. So, you know, making sure that this lifestyle is as much a norm as, as what, what anyone is would say nine to five back home being in an officer’s nivo is better than the other. But, but you know, being there and supporting this, this alternative lifestyle that we strongly believe in and making it work across all phases of life. So it’s not just something that you do between a certain age or between a certain thing that has happened in your life, but it can go all the way across. And, and that’s something that we are, we’re actively thinking more about every single day. To see, you know, how can you do it when you go a family, how can you do it when you’ve got kids, how can you do it in, in any, any demographic and be global essentially. So that’s, that’s one of the big focuses that came out of a, also for most workshops that we had together and everyone was, there was magical. Everyone was pulling in the same direction without having had any prior input into it from the team.

Sean Tierney: 00:55:22 Yeah. Well I’m glad you bring that up because that’s something, I mean we had initially talked Diego early on about that. You know, I don’t know your guys’ timeline and for the people listening Diego went out or a couple, but like at some point like if you intend to stay in this lifestyle for a while and kids it becomes like, well, like can this format adapt to accommodate families? And what are your thoughts on that? It’s called baby tribe.

Karol: 00:55:47 That’d fine. Well, I, I mean I also come from a background of building space for communities. So I probably see it from that perspective. Like, as long as there is a space or you know, as, as we’re growing industries or policymaker is real estate developers help us build or like facilitate better real estate for communities. I think, you know, transition for baby tribe could be, it could be really easy, right? Cause you could just do the ads on the need for a family to be able to still have the same kind of experience, but maybe it needs more support by having a babysitter inside, right? Like they could like watch kids or like a little kindergarten. So those things can be figured out. But it’s very difficult if you don’t have the space to allow families to evolve the same way you go. I think you see it from the perspective, like the actual programming of the community. I’m working on the space perspective. Yeah. So

Diego: 00:56:45 Ha having sort of moved every, every two to three years as a kid, literally since I was one year old. I know that this kind of lifestyle is possible. But what was maybe a problem in my life was that I was completely uprooted. Right? So I’d like all of my friends stayed and I went somewhere else. Right. And I think that I mean I’m probably a little bit messed up, but it worked out kind of all right. But I do think that that’s going to be the bigger, the bigger thing that’ll be a challenge for, for, for this kind of concept. I think that kids need to have stability in relationships. So whatever this version of of this lifestyle looks like in the future, it needs to be designed around kids having that, that feeling of not being the only one leaving and leaving, you know, their entire social network, their entire base of friends behind.

Sean Tierney: 00:57:34 Well, ironically I think like, so being uprooted like that what we’re talking about here, it would be a contiguous experience for those children. They just be moving our ad. And I think in my opinion, like what an incredible upbringing to actually experience life and you know, grow up with 20 other kids who were going through that same thing and you’re going to be friends for life with those kids for sure.

Diego: 00:57:52 Right. But now think that, and that’s exactly, I think that’s a solution to it, right? You can uproot them, but don’t just uproot them, uproot them and their 20 friends. Right. And put them somewhere else. Right. That’s what, that’s what I would love my kids to grow up with. Imagine you know them, them being around all these other kids, all those kids are going to be super open minded. They’re going to be experiencing life in a totally different way. But also the parents of those kids, like those are, those are parents that are, you know, they’re thinking ahead. They have a very different idea of, of what the world is like. And they’ve probably done a lot of things to be able to, to set themselves up in that way. So if my kids are rubbing shoulders with their kids and being mentored by their parents, like that’s, you know, most of the multipliers is massive. Just in terms of the the, the, the preparedness for life that, that are, that’s going to happen for, for our kids.

Aura: 00:58:40 And it’s really interesting. I don’t know if you guys have seen this Instagram account, like the bucket family back in this family. It’s really interesting. So it’s a, it’s a family that has three kids now and one was born on the road and they’re staying for like two, three months in each location and trying to figure out like logistics, education. So that’s really interesting to see what other people are kind of like pioneering by themselves right now to see, you know, if that works. And there are parents that are doing that. Yeah, absolutely. There’s, there’s families that are already traveling in that way. And I, I would say that those bills, one, they’re the really brave ones, right? Like they don’t know what’s going to happen to their kids how it might potentially affect them. But if there

Diego: 00:59:22 Was a version of this that’s maybe more, I don’t know, more and more designed, more more, more protected in that sense, I could work out really nice thing when it comes to education. Honestly, by now the best education is available online and in the format of courses and what you really need is, is a mentor as opposed to a maths teacher, an English teacher. You need a mentor who can guide kids through learning, using what’s available online. Right? So obviously a program needs to be created around around all of those courses. What is good material? You know, what’s good teaching material, how do kids best learn psychologically there’s so much that needs to be done to, to make that work out really well. But it can be done and it can be done remotely with maybe one onsite mentor who then pulls in all that information and you know, delivers it to the kids. Right. But it’s

Aura: 01:00:06 The other, the other interesting thing is like I personally think the balance comes within the balance of a household, not necessarily of your actual place where you live. So I think you know, even if you are a family does like rooted in a city, I think that there’s not balance between your family, right? Like there’s not stability between the two parents. I think that can cause like the same amount of instability as you’d be traveling if you experienced that. So I think maybe you know, in the future will be like kind of like making sure that application process screens for the healthy NESA the filming. Right. Because that’s important to be able to deal with all the challenges that are coming into you as, as a kid, as a parent. You know, they’re just not going to be easy.

Sean Tierney: 01:00:51 Yeah, there’s a lot more variables to solve for and it’s a more complex thing, but I just what mean if you can pull that off, what an incredible contribution. You know, I feel like someone’s going to do this whether, you know, it’s just a matter of time cause like you said, people are already kind of pioneering it and making it happen so low, but it’s the, those, their kids will be subject to the uprooting things. So wouldn’t it be great to like slap 20 other people around them and give them a support system to do it?

Aura: 01:01:20 Yeah. And like your Assad is like, you know, thinking about different products. But I think we need the help of the industries, right? Like to make it easier for families to move around. Right. Cause like if your kid is registered in a certain country and you have to go for vaccination every, every year somewhere, it’s just like, you don’t want to find yourself flying from one place to another. So we need industries to help us out in, in building those kinds of products for families. Cool.

Sean Tierney: 01:01:45 Well guys, I think that’s probably a good place to wrap up. Any like parting thoughts for someone who’s considering doing this or what, how, how can they get involved if they wanted to try wifi?

Diego: 01:01:54 Cool. Yeah. I mean I have to look at the website, www dot [inaudible] dot co [inaudible] dot com. Yeah, there you’ll feel, find all the information there. There’s a little apply button top right hand corner. And yeah, the application process is a, it’s a, a four step thing. Just submit something and there are interview processes as, as Sean mentioned as well. But yeah, one advice from me is what I was

Karol: 01:02:20 Thinking when I was switching over. It’s finger on. But what is your worst case scenario? If you’re on the verge of moving into this remote space and you’re unsure and everyone we’re going to tell you you’re silly, you’re like leaving over safety and security behind let’s you just think, what is your worst case scenario? Mine was to potentially bet my parents’ house for free moms before I apply for another secure old school, nine to five job. And I haven’t had to do that. I never had the worst case scenario. So I think all of ours are pretty safe. So just give it a go. Try it out. And if you entry butterflies though you just have to, even if it’s not for you, having tried it out as something that was going to enrich you in one way or another. Anyway. Absolutely. Cool. All right. Well thanks you guys. Yeah, this was a lot of fun.