Trevor Wright has cracked the code for essentially free air travel to any destination in the world via his "Mile Method.” Learn how he does it.

Trevor has mastered the art of accruing and redeeming travel points via strategic credit card applications. This craft allows him to fly anywhere in the world for $17 per ticket on average (the cost of airport taxes). He’s turned this into his full-time business and has made a living by helping others to fly for free. In this interview we’ll learn the crux of the “Mile Method,” common pitfalls and mistakes for first-timers attempting to play this game, nuances of how to amplify the utility of the miles you accrue via redemption hacks and more. Enjoy!

Show Notes

Time   Topic
0:02:11   Welcome and context
0:03:13   What is the Mile Method?
0:05:11   How do you travel for $17 per flight?
0:06:41   How does this work with credit card applications?
0:11:05   Will this method harm your credit score?
0:16:21   What are some common mistakes that people make when attempting this?
0:20:31   How do you charge people for your services?
0:26:45   Don’t the airlines hate you?
0:32:36   Does you help with the point redemption side or just accumulation?
0:34:14   What is one book that profoundly affected you in some ways?
0:35:11   One person you’d love to have dinner with?
0:35:45   What is your favorite tool or hack that saves you time, money or headaches?
0:36:29   One piece of music or artist that is speaking to you lately?
0:36:53   What important truth do very few people agree with you on?
0:37:11   If you could go back in time, what would you tell your 20-year-old self?

Links

Nomad Cruise
Mile Method
Mint- Account and Balance tracking
Credit Karma
Shantaram by Gregory David Roberts
Skepta
Bitcoin
Trevor on Instagram

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Transcript

Sean Tierney: 02:11 All right, everybody. Welcome to the podcast. I’m your host, Sean Tierney, and I’m sitting across from a Trevor Wright. Trevor is founder of mile method, which is a service that accumulates clients, millions of airline miles and hotel points leveraging credit card signup bonuses. Each client receives a customized credit card application schedule that earns the miles points needed to visit their desired destinations for almost free. Trevor’s also fluent in Portuguese and Spanish having served as a medical interpreter. Trevor, welcome to the show. Good to be here. We’re in Dubai. We made it. Yeah, we did. And we did like, so let’s set the context. Are we just docked in Dubai? We’ve been coming off of a 16 day cruise, the nomad cruise and what’d you think of the cruise?

Trevor Wright: 02:51 It’s amazing. It’s amazing and exhausting. Just nonstop meeting interesting people. All the different land excursions.

Sean Tierney: 02:58 It’s, yeah, it’s just a fountain of interesting people and I think my body’s ready for this cruise to be over at this point.

Trevor Wright: 03:07 Land and sleep is what I need right now. Agreed.

Sean Tierney: 03:12 All right, so tell us about what is the model method?

Trevor Wright: 03:14 Mile method. So I’ve been doing this as a location independent business for six years. And the idea came about because I was a for about nine years traveling myself. I’ve found a system where you can basically game us credit card signup bonuses and I had been traveling basically for free. Right? Currently I’m averaging $17 per flight to anywhere in the world actually less because I haven’t updated my in 2019 travels, $17 $17. Yes. So that is airport taxes and surcharges. So when you redeem miles there are taxes depending on which routes in which airlines you reading with.

Trevor Wright: 03:57 So it’s $17 per country to 120 some countries and all of that is from us credit card signup bonuses. And I had been doing this, people were very curious like how do you do this? I started helping friends and family. It became too overwhelming. And then I just started charging and doing this as a client based business.

Sean Tierney: 04:20 And so you got into this then doing it for friends and family and it’s just the natural draw of it kind of pulled you in. You and at what point did you realize, Hey, this could be a viable business?

Trevor Wright: 04:31 Initially for myself because I’ve, I’ve been traveling basically since I was a teenager and I was helping friends and family and then like I said, just overwhelming helping people. So I had to start charging, but really the, the idea for the business came in Chiang Mai. I went to a conference, I was going to start a drop shipping store and I met a guy, he said, what you do is very unique. I think that is a better business than maybe starting something that I had no idea what I was doing.

Sean Tierney: 05:03 Right. Well, I’m almost positive all my listeners would love to fly for $17. So can you elaborate like what is the gist of this method and whatever you’re willing to share and just works that?

Trevor Wright: 05:15 Nomad cruise we’re on right now from Greece to Dubai, it’s mostly Europeans. So I’ve had a lot of conversations on this boat of Europeans asking you how to do this. Unfortunately, this is 95% of what I do is only for Americans because you need a us social security number and decent to good credit scores. You need those two things in order to be approved for us credit cards.

Trevor Wright: 05:42 So unfortunately for any non-American listeners, maybe we can get into some general information, but my mild method is us credit card us credit cards. And how it works is what I do for my clients is you have to understand how to structure the applications to do this in a sustainable way. I’ve been doing it for nine years and for a long time I was earning about 1 million miles per year. That slowed down a bit in recent years and every 90 days I apply for two to five credit cards. And then once you’re approved for the credit cards, you focus on spending the required amount per credit card to unlock its bonus. And that amount which you spend is customized to each person’s spending habits. So, I mean we can get into this, but it’s really knowing how to structure applications and then applying for two to five cards every 90 days.

Sean Tierney: 06:39 And when you say structure applications, so there’s something they want to see that makes them approve you. So I guess what makes a good application versus about applications and everything?

Trevor Wright: 06:51 I do, the reason I do this as a service and not some type of ready-made course is that it’s extremely customized to each person’s spending habits, their application cancellation history, their credit scores is, there’s a lot of details that I take in for each client. And what makes a good round of applications, again, it depends on the person, but an important part of all of this is to choose different banks. So if you’re applying for three cards at the same time, on the same day, you may choose a bank of America card, a chase card, an American express card. So you don’t apply for three cards from the same bank. You mix them up between banks and there’s also reasons for them.

Sean Tierney: 07:38 Cool. So, I mean, so let’s say that I was going to do this right now. You, what variables would you look at or what information would you request from me in order to give the most likelihood of getting approved by all these different cards?

Trevor Wright: 07:50 So also because this is such a customized service there is no buy button. I cannot just accept people. I need to prequalify them. So on my website, milemethod.com there is a survey, people fill it out, it takes about three minutes and I have all the information. How much does someone spend per month, what are their credit scores? Which cards have they already applied for? Which cards have they canceled? And based on this information I follow up and I can say you have a very good situation. I feel confident that I can earn you this amount of miles.

Trevor Wright: 08:26 And if someone has never dabbled in this, it’s fairly easy to get close to a million or more exclusively through credit card signup bonuses in.

Sean Tierney: 08:38 A million points. What does that translate to in terms of, I don’t know, average what you do travel wise? Like how, how far will that get you?

Trevor Wright: 08:46 That’s a very good question because in general, before I answer your question, people, Americans have this incredible, I think this should not exist. It just, there’s no reason I should be able to travel tomorrow to China for let’s say 20 $30 but it does because of the U S credit card signup bonuses. So Americans don’t understand how lucrative this can be. Maybe they had a bad experience with some miles. They tried to fly over Christmas, they couldn’t redeem their miles, and then they think this is all nonsense. Or maybe they had some other experience where it costs them way more miles than it should have because they didn’t understand how to redeem those miles.

Trevor Wright: 09:29 So 1 million miles and points, you can fly us to Europe for 30,001 way. You can fly from us to Southeast Asia for 45,000 or 40,001 way. It depends on which model you redeem in which route. But 1 million miles is for most people maybe who for people who don’t travel nonstop like us years and years of almost free travel flights and hotels,

Sean Tierney: 09:55 And do those typically, are they like rollover? You can use those indefinitely or do they expire in a year? How does that work?

Trevor Wright: 10:01 Another very common question, so 90 I can’t give an exact exact percentage, but let’s say 95% of miles and points. The expiration is a nonissue because if you have any type of activity on the account, say you spend $1 on a co branded credit card, so let’s say you have a Citibank American airlines credit card, American as an example, American airlines miles expire after 18 months, but if you spend $1 on that credit card, you will get one mile in your American airlines account and that will reset it for 18 months.

Trevor Wright: 10:41 So there’s all these very easy things you can do to extend your miles and points to the point where it’s really a nonissue and then those 5% of miles and points that there’s no way to extend the life of them. You just have to focus on making sure you use them within the three year or 24 month period that they’re valid.

Sean Tierney: 11:02 Got it. So here’s a question. D credit is weird and I don’t proclaim to understand it, but does this help or hurt you in terms of like if I have, let’s say a 700 credit score and I do this, is my credit score going to go up or down doing this?

Trevor Wright: 11:20 Another good question. This, this is my biggest obstacle with my particular business. People don’t understand how credit works and a lot of people I’ve noticed are just repeating something they may have heard or for example, they believe that applying for a card or or worse, canceling a card is the worst thing you can do.

Trevor Wright: 11:42 It’s not, I applied for, for nine years, I’ve been applying for two to five cards every 90 days and my scores are currently 800. That’s excellent. Yeah. So the reason this system of applying for multiple credit cards sustainably in, in a, in a certain way, you can’t just randomly apply. You do this in a certain way. It improves your credit scores because of three factors. So the number one is debt to credit ratio. Well, let me start over again. The number one rule is always pay your monthly balances in full. So you should not be doing the system. If you’re carrying balances spending more than you have, that’s the golden rule. You must pay off your balances in full every month. So that is the on time payment history. So as long as you just, you are consistently making payments on time, that’s a great factor for your credit score.

Sean Tierney: 12:41 And a real quick question on that, is there any service or way to put that on autopilot? So it’s not even something you need to think about? Like it’ll just auto draw out of your account.

Trevor Wright: 12:50 Most banks do have an auto payment feature. Yes, I don’t use that. I track it using mint.com. That way you can log in and mint.com and see your balances know that you have a certain balance with a certain credit card just going and pay it. But that is a good way. If you, especially if you say you have a reoccurring payment like Netflix, you might forget about the $5 monthly payment, just set it on auto payment and you don’t have to worry about it. Got it. The second factor about credit scores, which is not explicitly stated, if you log into credit karma for example, which is a free service to monitor your credit scores is the debt to credit ratio.

Trevor Wright: 13:32 So the reason this is so important, debt to credit ratio, if you are always paying off your monthly bills in full, you have zero debt. And as you’re approved for more credit cards, your credits, your total available credit because every new credit card approved, let’s say you, they give you a five, a $5,000 credit line, and then another card, they give you a $10,000 credit line. So your debt remained at zero. But the two new credit card approvals just gave you $15,000 more credit. So your debt to credit ratio is constantly improving as you’re approved for more cards. And another third factor which most people don’t even know about and don’t follow is you should never let any credit card balance or go over 20% of your total available credit. So I’ll explain this cause this is maybe a little bit more advanced for some people.

Trevor Wright: 14:30 Let’s say you have a credit card with a $10,000 credit line, you should never let that credit card statement close above 20% of that credit line, which should be $2,000. So if you have a credit line of $10,000, when your, your spending balance gets to two around 2000 you should prepay that so it doesn’t go over 20,000 when the monthly statement closes. So that, that might be confusing for some people. The reason you don’t want any credit card, monthly statement to close above 20% of the available credit is because banks and the algorithm, we’re talking about algorithms. So there is, there is no human monitoring this, right? The algorithms think that that’s a red flag that you may be overextended. Got it. And they, that does negatively affect your credit scores.

Sean Tierney: 15:27 Got it. So I’ve got a $10,000 limit. As soon as I get, you know, starting to near the $2,000 Mark, you’re saying either use a different credit card or prepay that one down. So it doesn’t actually jump over that 2000 threshold.

Trevor Wright: 15:39 Yes. And the most important thing to understand that this is when the statement closes. So let’s say you have a big purchase of $10,000, 10,000 of 10,000 you used 100% of your available credit. That will not negatively affect your credit scores unless you let the statement close. The statement is the, it’s on your account when you log in, usually close to the payment due date. If you pay that $100, that hundred percent use of your credit before it closes, no big deal. The only thing that matters is when that statement closes.

Sean Tierney: 16:17 Got it. Okay. Makes sense. So I guess, what are the pitfalls that you see? Where do people go off the rails when, if they’re not dealing with you and they’re trying this on their own, what are the common mistakes that you see most people making?

Trevor Wright: 16:32 There’s a lot of them. Just maybe the top three that you see. Yes, so there are a lot of blogs, people, people, I think gen Americans, even Europeans, they kind of know this exists because you could Google travel hacking, you can Google how to fly for free, all these different things. There are thousands and thousands of blogs that will give you an overview of this and even very specific articles about how to do very specific things. Google is your friend. Google is amazing. The problem with this is the business model of these blogs is to get readers and then to get them to click on their affiliate links with PA which pay them commissions so they don’t necessarily care if you do this in a sustainable way which improves your credit scores. They’re thinking short term, let’s get a reader, let’s target a certain person with SEO, with a certain article, convinced them that this credit card is amazing, this bonus, this limited time thing, all the different clickbait headlines you can imagine.

Trevor Wright: 17:37 And then once you click, you are approved. But that card may not have been the best card to apply for at that particular time. The way to do this is to understand not only the different bank rules, but also each credit cards, individual rule and do this in a certain sequence which allows you to maximize all the bonuses over a sustainable period of time. So if you’re randomly applying for credit cards, you may fairly easily get a free flight here, a free flight, they’re free, that free flight there. But let’s say at the six month Mark, you’re going to start getting denied for credit cards because you’re not doing it in the best way.

Sean Tierney: 18:24 Got it. And it sounds like you could maybe spend a great deal of time, like sleuthing all this out and understanding the rules, but why would you do that when you just pay someone like you to do it basically?

Trevor Wright: 18:38 Right. And this, there’s, there are people that believe that they can learn all those rules. This is very much an example of something that you don’t know what you don’t know. So again, I’ve been doing this for nine years. I’m very obsessed with all of this and I am still learning tips and tricks here and there, here and there. Someone who reads one of these blogs, I got this. They, they think they know what they’re doing. They don’t want to spend extra money. And by applying out of order, they may be making themselves ineligible for bonuses that are worth a thousand, 2000, $3,000, but they don’t even know that they’re doing it wrong and they’re making themselves ineligible for future bonuses. So that, that’s the major pitfall. I see. People come to me after they’ve dabbled in this and they’re dabbling for two, three, six months actually hurt them. And lost them. A lot of money in free bonuses.

Sean Tierney: 19:37 Got it. And then what are you tracking day to day or week to week to stay on top of this stuff? How do you know what the best deals are?

Trevor Wright: 19:44 I read it constantly. I know which blogs to follow. I have an RSS feed, I have my Facebook wall set up where I see all the limited time deals that pop up. I, I’m very involved in forums and different alerts set and that, that is really there. There are some programs programmers on this boat who I’ve had discussions with. I’ve explained a little bit what I do and they say, why don’t you just build some software? Why can’t you just get some software to do this? And they don’t know what they don’t know. There are so many moving parts. The only way to stop stay on top of this is to love it and be obsessed with it like I am. And to track it all the different news and that’s what I do.

Sean Tierney: 20:26 Yeah. Nice. I do not share this obsession. I think that sounds like a lot of work. So what, how does your fee structure work? How do you charge people and like what would it, what would it cost to use you to do this?

Trevor Wright: 20:38 It’s all outlined on mile method.com so I have a 24 month service and like I mentioned before, I do not have a course. This is a service. I work with my clients one-on-one for 24 months and it is nine 97 which breaks down to $40 per month I believe. And we have a, each client has a shared Google drive application schedule. So after I receive all their background information, I create a custom custom credit card application schedule, we share it and then every 90 days I update their new credit card applications with links and all they have to do, I send them a quick message saying it’s that time you’re ready to go, ready to apply.

Trevor Wright: 21:24 They log into their Google drive application schedule and they click the links that I give them. So from on their side, they really don’t have to think about anything. They click the links, they apply and then when the cards show up to their, their permanent address, they focus on spending. So I never have their social security number. I never have any of their private information. They simply click the links that I give them.

Sean Tierney: 21:50 Right. So you’re just coordinating, you’re kind of like the scheduler and yeah, they’re doing it. Exactly. Can this be done with a virtual PO box or does it require actually physically receiving the cards?

Trevor Wright: 22:04 I do have clients who live outside of the United States. A lot of them actually it’s, it’s an extra obstacle because the U S credit cards do have to be shipped to a U S address. So in my personal situation I live outside the United States. I have for years, all my cards go to my, my dad’s permanent address. He opens my mail and he emails me the credit card information. So I, when I need to complete the, the minimum spending requirement on a new credit card, I usually do that with online spending. Got it. And that’s how I received the bonuses.

Sean Tierney: 22:44 Cool. Yeah. I have a virtual PO box in South Dakota and they’re able to email the, can scan it and email what they can also forward the mail to. I’m just curious if it’s possible to execute this with no physical card. But like you’re saying, I guess if you don’t, if you don’t need in-person purchases you can probably just,

Trevor Wright: 23:02 It is better if you have the physical card because that way for all your daily expenses you can also spend on the card. Yeah. But maybe I should be looking into a, a virtual mailbox and not hassle my dad so much. He is, yeah, I tell my clients that if you send to a us permanent address, you should have a trusted person who can open your mail email that information. But just like you said, also forwarding service would be perfect.

Sean Tierney: 23:28 Yeah. Nice. All right, well it’s, yeah, it seems just like one of these things where, you know, you pay a real estate agent to handle your transaction because they can get you a better deal than you trying to for sale by owner. So, I mean this makes a lot of sense to me. A more questions. So points are transferable or how, I’ve always wondered this, like if, if I’m accruing my own points, can I then like arbitrage or like can I sell those to someone and transfer them or is it like the points of usable only by the person who did the credit card application?

Trevor Wright: 24:01 Yes and yes, and I’ll put a little asterix on, on that. Let me, let me give out a general tip because maybe a lot of your listeners have the chase Sapphire preferred or the chase reserve. These are two cards that were recently marketed very well. A lot of people have these cards, chase ultimate rewards points can be redeemed on their website for any type of travel, for car rentals, for airlines, for hotels, or they can be transferred to airline and hotel partners. So this is just a general tip. In 99% of the cases you will receive more value from your chase points by transferring to United, Singapore airlines, Hyatt. There’s a lot of different transfer partners instead of redeeming them directly through the chase portal. So we don’t need to get into that, but Google around, look into this. You will get likely three times the value, two to three times a value by transferring to United for a flight instead of booking it through the chase portal.

Trevor Wright: 25:05 Back to your question about are they transferable? Can you sell them? Yes, and I do because you can book any flights using your miles in someone else’s name. So this does create an arbitrage opportunity, but I want to be very clear, this is a gray area because you are not allowed by the terms and conditions of the airlines to sell your miles, but you can book for friends and family. Got it. So this is an opportunity, let’s say, are we friends forever? Now? We’re absolutely friends and let’s say you need a flight, a a thousand dollars one way. You tell me which flight you want to book. I can check the award availability using miles and I can come to you and say, you know what, I’ll give you that exact same flight for $800. So this is an opportunity you saved $200. I made $800. Because using leveraging credit card signup bonuses, you can get the miles for basically free.

Trevor Wright: 26:08 Yeah. So it’s a win win. And I dunno if I want to get into all the details, but I do this very often almost as a little a side thing and it works out for everybody. It’s a win win. So anybody can do this, you can book, you can use your miles and points to book for your friends and family. So even if you’re doing this system, your husband, your partner, your kids can also fly free cause they are friends and family. If you want a little side cash, you can also offer discounted flights to your friends. Got it. And be super popular cause you’re saving everyone. It’s a women. It’s a, it’s a good situation.

Sean Tierney: 26:44 Is it? I mean, do the airlines hate you or have they ever, has an airline ever said, Hey, what’s this guy spending? Like a ridiculous number of points.

Trevor Wright: 26:51 Like have you ever been investigated by an airline or anything like that? No. And the interesting thing about your question is that this has nothing to do with the airlines. It has to do with the banks. It’s the banks who give you the credit card signup bonuses. So when you redeem miles for a flight, you receive a regular confirmation number exactly as if you had paid for the flight. When you show up to the airport on a mile redemption compared to a paid fair that the every single person you have contact with at the airport has no idea that this is an award flight. Because from their screens it’s exactly the same as a paid flight. So if I redeem miles for business class or first class, I received the exact same treatment as someone who spent $5,000 $10,000 cause these flights are very, very expensive.

Trevor Wright: 27:41 But the banks, they are starting to put better systems in place to stop people like, like me because we are, let’s just be clear, we’re gaming the system. Yeah. I’ve had a hundred over 150 credit card approvals. There’s no reason that I should have 150 credit cards. There’s no reason.

Sean Tierney: 28:02 And you have an 800 credit score? Yes, yes. Crazy.

Trevor Wright: 28:05 And I’ve been doing this for nine years. So, but the, so when you applied the Dean, you briefly, right? Went for the, for just the credit lookup or whatever, but then you win that back as soon as you’re approved basically. Is that how it works? So I mean you, you can always go deeper, but I’ll, I’ll maybe explain this on this. On the surface level. Yeah. So every time you apply for a credit card, it’s a hard inquiry on your credit report. So the credit report is your overall view that banks use to know whether you are a credit worthy individual.

Trevor Wright: 28:37 So you apply for a new credit card and they pull your credit report. So that’s what a hard inquiry is. They’re inquiring, they’re making an inquiry into your credit worthiness. So that’s all that is. Each hard inquiry on your credit report. And there are three. So one, two, three Experian, Equifax and TransUnion. So that’s really not important. But there’s three different credit bureaus where each bank can pull your credit report. So of one of the three that hard inquiry temporarily decreases your credit score, let’s say one to five points per credit card application, but 90 days later due to the improved a debt to credit ratio, the benefits of having more available credit they override the heart inquiry. So you’re, when you apply for a credit card, your score may dip for let’s say 90 days and around the 90 day Mark, because the influence of the available credit acts as a positive factor.

Trevor Wright: 29:45 Your scores go up. So you apply for card, it goes slightly down, 90 days later it goes up, and then it’s this dip, swing, dip swing of your scores going down a little bit, going up a lot, going down a little bit, going up a lot. And that’s why this all works. Cool. And that’s also why you should have about 90 days between applications because not only do you need time to spend on the, on the newly approved cards to meet to unlock the bonuses, but you also want to give your credit scores time to recover from that temporary dip.

Sean Tierney: 30:19 Got it. And do you recommend, if someone doesn’t have the spending to actually exhaust that quota during that 90 day window, do you recommend then maybe instead of three cards apply for two or just only apply for what you can go through basically?

Trevor Wright: 30:32 Exactly, exactly. I think you understand the concept. So that’s why this customized service, I have some clients who spend 20,000 a month, we can go crazy, we can get a lot of cards, we can really rack up a lot of, a lot of signup bonuses. I have some clients who might only spend a thousand a month, so that means we definitely slow down the applications and also might use some spending tricks, which is basically moving money around. So it shows up as transactions, but you don’t spend out of pocket. But yes, if you spend very little, this is possible, the exact same system, you just do it at a slower rates. So anyone with let’s say $1,000 plus expenses per month can be doing this but maybe not at the same level as someone who spends 20,000.

Sean Tierney: 31:22 Got it. And I mean even someone who doesn’t travel, it sounds like with the arbitrage opportunity, is there any reason not to do this?

Trevor Wright: 31:29 There is no reason not to be doing this. This is all benefits and on on that same line, I’ll say, I always remind people that airline miles and hotel points, you should look at them as just a different currency because you can redeem these for actual flights, for actual hotels and other other travel benefits. So just like money, you don’t work the day before you need to spend money. You’re always working. You’re always trying to save and put money in the bank so that when you need to spend there, that money it’s available. So airline miles and hotel points are the same thing. Even if you only do one big trip a year, go crazy ball out, get stay in the nicest hotels, fly business class, fly first class, but don’t do that the month before you need to fly. You should be doing it now, building up your balances and then when you want to take that big trip, you can really make it special and stay really in luxury hotels and fly some of the nicest cabins.

Sean Tierney: 32:30 Nice. Does your consultation with folks, so clearly I understand how you help on the acquisition side of getting the credit cards. Do you also then advised in terms of the redemption, cause it sounds like that’s kind of a, a multiplier if you do that right, you get more out of your miles.

Trevor Wright: 32:44 Yes. You could look at it as this whole game, let’s call it has two different sides. The accumulating and the redeeming. So my service is accumulating. It’s me giving you the exact bonuses you should apply for, for your exact profile end travel destinations. And then on the redemption side, I’m always available. So my clients, I have a private Facebook group where people can ask questions. I’m always being active and answering questions there and then also clients contacting me personally. So it is a one on one service. I never log into people’s accounts and book for them.

Trevor Wright: 33:23 But if someone says, I live in Chicago, I’m trying to get to Hong Kong, these are the miles I have. How do I do it for me? Because I’ve been doing this for so long. It’s I see through the matrix so I know right away, okay, can I Chicago to Hong Kong this use this type of mile on this airline? And I can either tell them exactly how to do it or I know exactly which, how to article to send them. So often it’s as quick as replying with with a link to the best how to article, which gives them step by step by step how to book that exact route.

Sean Tierney: 33:57 Amazing. Awesome. Trevor, we have one last little part of this interview or 30 minute Mark. I’m going to switch gears here and do kind of a rapid fire tactical thing. I call it the breakdown. So are you ready for the breakdown? Oh my God, I’m ready. Break down baby.

Sean Tierney: 34:14 All right. What is one book that has profoundly affected you?

Trevor Wright: 34:19 This is going to be maybe a wild card, but there is a book called Shantara, M a. D, a Gregory, David Roberts. It’s, I’m very much still a backpacker. I’ve been traveling most of my life and this is a book that’s popular in backpacking circles. It’s incredible. It’s a long one. It’s an, it’s a long one. It’s poetic. It’s beautifully written. And it’s interesting because the author is not an author. He’s just a man who’s had an incredible life and he described his life.

Sean Tierney: 34:48 Yeah. I strongly encourage that one. It is a, I think Johnny Depp bought the movie rights is what I understand.

Trevor Wright: 34:55 And they never filmed it. Yeah. Yeah. I heard that something happened and it never got filmed.

Sean Tierney: 34:59 Yeah. What an incredible story though. It’s like you see this guy, he couldn’t have been like, he must have done the things that are in the book because there’s no way you could write it with the same authenticity that this guy has.

Sean Tierney: 35:10 So amazing. Great, great recommendation. What about, what is one person you would love to have dinner with?

Trevor Wright: 35:15 Oof. Alive or dead? Either way. These are good questions. These are coming out of the blue. I might, I might even say Gregory, David Roberts. I’m a big fan of that book and you know, you could pick any historical figure, but I like just good conversations and that guy would provide a good,

Sean Tierney: 35:38 It’s stories like that’s just the stuff that made the book. I can’t imagine what other stuff didn’t make it. Cool. What about, what is one tool or hack you use to save time, money or headaches? Not related to credit card hacking case?

Trevor Wright: 35:56 I’m starting to learn that there are people that have more knowledge than me, so maybe a few years back I would try to learn it all. Now I just try to find the person who has already figured it out and try to see what they do, what tools they use or even hire them. So this is been a mind shift for me. Don’t try to do it all. There’s so much information in this world and there’s people that are already have figured it out and just just do what they do. Copy successful people.

Sean Tierney: 36:27 Cool. All right. A one piece of music that speaks to you lately.

Trevor Wright: 36:34 All right. This is also maybe a strange one. There is a British rapper named Skepta and for whatever reason his music resonates. When I’m in the gym, I always listen to Skepta. It always makes me hyped. I just love his music.

Sean Tierney: 36:49 So we’ll we’ll link to that in the show notes. And what is one important truth that very few people agree with you on.

Trevor Wright: 36:59 That Bitcoin will continue to increase in value over the longterm? You believe that it will. I believe that it will. Yes.

Sean Tierney: 37:06 Cool. And last question. If you had a time machine to go back to your 20 year old self, what one piece of advice would you give yourself?

Trevor Wright: 37:14 This is going to be controversial. Well maybe not for, for your listeners, I might skip university. I believe that that was not the best use of my time and I may have tried to, like I said before, seek out these people that have very specific knowledge, especially related to business and emulate them instead of going the generic route of getting a broad education.

Sean Tierney: 37:42 Cool. I would say that’s not necessarily controversial. I mean there’s a lot of people lately. The question before is actually a question from Peter teal that I stole a super successful investor and he has a program where he’s actually encouraging people not to go to school. He’s pulling like, you know, kind of the, I don’t know what you call them, like the bright stars out early, just trying to get them to start businesses.

Trevor Wright: 38:04 But along that same line, we are in a bit of a bubble where where we believe this and let’s say I’m from Nebraska. If I go back to Nebraska and, and tell someone that same thing, they’ll say, well what about credentials? What about education? They still believe that maybe the old ways of doing things are the best ways and I clearly do not.

Sean Tierney: 38:26 Yeah, I dunno. I think all things being equal, if someone comes to me and it’s like they use three years to get the MBA or they use those three years to go and try and start their own business and Thrasher hound and maybe succeed or fail, I still would prefer to see that because.

Trevor Wright: 38:39 At the end of the day, it’s the results. Yeah. So if someone can do it self-taught and prove to you that they have the results, that’s what matters. Right. And I think going forward, even employers, they’re going to be focusing more on results and not what type of paper hangs on your wall.

Sean Tierney: 38:56 I agreed. Cool man. Well, Hey, so if people listening want to use your service, what’s the best place to send them? Just the mile method.com.

Trevor Wright: 39:03 Mile method.com there’s a contact link. You can send me a message there. I’m only active on Instagram. I do have my personal Facebook, but I’ve kind of shut most of that down. I’m always doing Instagram stories. What’s your Instagram again? Myo method also. So mile method, I’m about to spend three weeks in some very interesting and unique countries in Africa. So I’m doing lots of stories there and also send private messages. I’m always active there.

Sean Tierney: 39:29 Where are you going in Africa?

Trevor Wright: 39:30 So from Dubai here where we are, I fly to Ireton, Zimbabwe doing a couple of safaris in Botswana, South Africa for new years, and then Mozambique. Very cool. So Eritrea, Botswana, Mozambique, these are still question marks. I don’t know much about these countries, but I’m pretty excited.

Sean Tierney: 39:50 Yeah. Talk to my buddy Matt Bowles cause he’s been all over Africa and he just loved it.

Trevor Wright: 39:54 Yes, we talked a little bit. So that’s, that’s why I’m excited.

Sean Tierney: 39:57 Cool man. We’ll do, thank you so much for being on the show. It’s great to have you. It was fun. Thank you. Cheers.

sean

Sean is the host of Nomad Podcast and author of the Nomad Prep eCourse to help others successfully transition to the nomadic lifestyle. Sean is also founder of Charity Makeover, a global movement to mobilize knowledge workers for good. Read more from Sean on his personal blog.

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